Panorama BBC One on Monday 13th January at 21.00 ‘I Want My Baby Back’


Panorama BBC One on Monday 13th January at 21.00 ‘I Want My Baby Back’, with reporter John Sweeney, is now confirmed for broadcast. Viewers from outside of the UK will presumably be able to watch it on BBC Internet site. Please spread the word to all on your contacts list.
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138 thoughts on “Panorama BBC One on Monday 13th January at 21.00 ‘I Want My Baby Back’

  1. The fight back has well and truly begun. Parents are coming together armed with so much information that will create a tsunami and demolish social services. There is now enough evidence to bring people into courts to prosecute on a mass scale. Hold on tight for the ride, oh, and enjoy it, it’s going to be fun.

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  2. Dr Maya and omowunmi get you family and friends involved those who agree injustice is happening. Spread the word. And the rest of the parents/ participants please spread the word on our behalf.

    I will also be asking those whom have protested individually to date.

    Lets form a group and also participate in every Monday protest.

    WE NEED TO HELP EACH OTHER

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  3. I was adopted as a child and on tracing my birth family.. my siblings told me that “I was the lucky one as I “got out”.. I was taken from a neglectful home and mother and thank my lucky stars that I was adopted.

    Due to my experience, I now foster and every child that has come through needed to be lifted at that time. Do children get lifted for NO reason.. never in my experience. Parents need to take onboard that they need to change their lifestyles, put the kids first, ditch the substance misuse, ditch the inappropriate partners and friends, put their houses in order, take their kids to school, attend medical appointments and basically get up on a morning and care for them.

    Of all the children I have fostered.. only one went for adoption and the rest RETURNED home because they were willing to cooperate with SW and change their lifestyles!

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    1. You’ve had a good experience, that doesn’t mean that it’s not happening. I know a case where there is no drugs, alcohol, mental health issues, no previous ss involvement. Took child to GP who sent then to Paeds, they alleged non accidental injury. Mother is the most loving mother possible. It is a travesty. They have ignored some much evidence and attempted to reduce mother to something worse than a murderer.

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    2. It’s a good thing that you have not experiences and you do not bruise children who cry/ cried.

      My children were bruised – first time I saw this I confronted the foster carer and the social worker – but I was told there is nothing in writing. I told them if a parent had done all the incidents, which I will not mention here, then sw would definitely remove children from parents. ….. and, I was denied the right to call foster carer to the court as there was shortage of foster carers (yeah, this doesn’t make sense, but this is true and it Really does not make sense to me!, ).

      My then four year old said to me “Mummy, bad all bad” – He was bruised, saddest my little boy, but there is no evidence as they all stick together

      My then two year old said “Mummy, x bad, he hit xx (my older child)”

      And I was told by the guardian that she is “the best foster carer my children had”; if this is the best then what would be the worst?

      …plus a lot more examples

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    3. You obviously have very little idea of how corrupt the system (and many of the so-called professionals in it) have become. Please read my family story at http://www.assumedauthority.net 9Second entry starting ‘UK Stasi…’ My wife and I don’t have any vices, have no criminal record etc etc, but we were harassed, lied about and still had our son stolen even though we proved many of the lies to be just that. There is no justice, not only in the Uk, but across the Western world.

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    4. I had to read your post again.

      Firstly, you are saying that social workers left your siblings in a neglectful home and saved only you?
      And, what if I say to you, that I did everything that you state, but my children were still taken?

      I think you need to advertise your self in the Foster Care website, instead of us parents whom have had first hands on experience.

      People like you are so so sad in real life that you are on “Child Proceedings” website and talk so low.

      Just reading your post makes me feel sick because you sound so creepy!!

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      1. Hey if you say you were adopted and lucky to be then you must be a liar because social service would not save only you and leave your siblings in danger,can you get off this forum as you are not wanted here.You will have to be on adoption forum .

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  4. Watch BBC Breakfast, John Hemming has made it public for parents to flee the country as they will not get a fair trial. SS have all the funding and they prepare all the REPORTS!!!!

    definite breakthrough in 2014 – IT’s definitely RIGHT TIME for PROTEST – WE NEED MORE PEOPLE

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  5. Hey ALL

    Read Charley Graces reply below.

    I believe its time for ALL OF US to group up and take ACTION. PROTEST NEEDS TO be arranged. Who is IN?

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  6. One thing not being accepted here is that mistakes happen. Matt has made some trite comments by linking mistakes to baby P. What about where adoptions are later proven to be wrong? That has happened and parents have still not get their children back?

    Where lies are proven to have been told to raise an adoption and where medical negligence has been proven to prove abuse that has not happened, prison sentences should ensue. Social workers and hospital staff should not be above the law where they commit perjury.

    And adoptions should be reversible even after 15 years and 364 days.

    Social networking and the internet is breaking the secret courts at last – anonymity and gagging is impossible in 2013. You can find out virtually all information using the internet to expose people – including delving into the personal lives of those who have lied. Be careful.

    I have no hard luck stories – I have lost no children – but I love exposing liars!!!

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    1. I fully agree with this – remember the classical case of Nicky and Mark Webster when the children were removed wrongly and never returned. Of course, it is much better not to rush into any “removals” at all.

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    2. “And adoptions should be reversible even after 15 years and 364 days.”

      I agree: Adoptions should be reversible

      I have often thought of this, if marriage binds two people and divorce renders them free then there should be a procedure to break adoption.

      The more I think the more I disapprove of adopters, illogically but from a loving mothers point with strong mothers instincts, my family is broken and ruined (to the extent that partner died who was so fond of children) and gay couple who wanted to “start a family” my children are thrown into this.

      If SW can call my family dysfunctional, Inspite of my children being happy, healthy, had bright futures, loved so so much, then surely TWO MEN who chose their way of life of being GAY, why are my children TWO BOYS with them?? I feel sick just thinking, but in all honesty SW/ judges and the lot have DESTROYED MY FAMILY.

      I am very logical person, but there is no logic in what they are doing, except for money. I remember when they had the care order, I went to see SW within the same week, they had been PROMOTED, they were wearing PARTY DRESSES, at my and my childrens expense, like rubbing it in.

      If this was in the open courts there is NO WAY would I have lost my children, this was extremely tense case; I humiliated them the way they did me. I read through every single word of every single page and each stage I PROVED my case. I FEEL SI~CK, B*****DS

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  7. Something needs to be done about this.my son was born in 2001 and forcibly took off me in 2003! They took me to court and made me and my now ex give him up for adoption .a year later I met someone else and I got pregnant so still under ss I had to declare it.going there I was nervous but was told that it was fine and I could keep the baby.i saw the same ss lady that made me give up my baby boy.as we was due to leave she told me heart wrenching news i can still hear in my ears to this day.you wasn’t the reason why we took your son she said.we was wrong to take him and give him up for adoption.i am so sorry.i couldn’t believe what I was hearing.my ex was to blame but I didn’t know anything about what they said in the courts until it came out and yet I was the culprit.now he is 12 this coming May and although I get contact and photos I am in pain every day as I could of still had my baby boy.instead I have to live life without him and if he ever comes looking what do I tell him? I’m so pissed off with ss its unreal! They say the pain will go away and it will lessen …. No it doesn’t………

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  8. Its absolutely disgusting. My two boys were took and adopted for no good reason. Im devastated. I opposed the adoption order and they still made it! its for money and to meet targets! If i knew how to fill the forms in correctly for strasbourg I would do it! its awful what ss are doing to familiessss!

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    1. Hi Marie, I’m also making an application to Strasbourg and don’t know where to start. I have been given a choice by my (ex-?) solicitor; If I accept the adoption she can help in making the application for the contact order and if I make application to ECHR she can not assist. I made application for CO myself, but its been ignored; courts are not taking any notice. CoA have refused any further appeals by me, including to the Supreme Court.

      My thoughts are as follows: if we make an application to ECHR “together” – meaning all victims – and state that wrong is happening in the UK we may stand a better chance for success instead of individual applications. From what I’ve been advised that it takes a few year anyway, but there is remote chance as the European Courts do not intervene in the decisions of the home courts? Secondly, say if we do win in the ECHR on an individual basis, ss will then say that children are settled now.

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  9. what everyones doing just isnt enough?, its one thing to sit at home behind close doors and type on here. but we need action, we are being treated worse then criminals, i have never done anything to deserve my daughter being taken a day after birth, and the shire pit of fire i have burning away at me day in and day out. Im fighting them all the way. we need to name and shame all these social workers, fuck the gagging orders, i would die for my daughter, going to prison, would only say that at least i fought, i had my voice heard, and the most thing i want to do at the moment is to speak to and help other people in this situation. Christmas has passed and my daughter is 7 weeks old, just over, people asking “how was your christmas?”, people are so thoughless and heartless, i cried my fucking eyes out all day and slept most of the day, i had no christmas dinner, no crackers, no festivities at all. I go to contact today and im told my daughter had been passed around from stranger to stranger at her foster placement, and had become so upset. this makes me want to fight harder, my baby girl should be with her mother. Im an innocent women who has never done anything wrong, im not mentally ill and have no criminal convictions. British justice is a joke… or should i say lack of justice, its all backwards, its more to the point of guilty till proven innocent, and if you are proved innocent they will find another way, the sick fucks wanna come at you from every angle. Using things from your childhood against you. At the end of the day its all for money and statistics, not the welfare of the children. They simple couldent give two dosses for the children involved, like was said in a previous post, they came at 8pm on a cold november night and ripped my daughter away from me, not asking” when she was fed?, or ” if she needed changing?”, with no blanket they took her and drove her an hour and half car journery. Whilst they ripped her away from me , the sick social worker rubbed my back, telling me it be alright. Fight people. fight with all you have and use your stength!

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    1. You are right, people need to fight as hard as they can. However the system has unlimited funds from tax payers money and a well versed strategy that is employed to undermine parents, confidence, ability and self esteem. Quite simply it is there to break them.

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    2. I know exactly what you are going through and it sickens me that they are still allowed to get away with this barbaric act splitting up loving innocent families. My thoughts are with you! Never stop fighting!!!!!! We didn’t stop and we were the lucky ones. I pray that soon your nightmare will end and Justice will prevail at last.

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  10. sw emma riley appleby falseley accussed me and stole max at 10 wks old and then she adopts max herself,which is not allowed but i see it from her side with criminal intentions hcpc are just as bad as sw

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  11. The question that always needs asking is; ‘who benefits’? Who benefits from adoption? Is it those who are set to benefit financially? Where money and profit are concerned, the concerns about parents and children become secondary. How much do solicitors and barristers make from court proceedings? How much funding to local authority receive from central government. How much money do private fostering and adoption agencies make, such as companies like Core Assets who sister company, Carter Brown provide expert witnesses.

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    1. im hoping as i can go through my life that i can share my heart mind and soul to all innocent parents and children because im tired of seeing innocent parents and children in pain//and i hope we all given the chance to now what a family feels like with all our children .the pain in the world is causing war and its all got to stop for our childrens sake

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  12. Social Services do not put children up for adoption for no good reason. There are many reasons why they are taken…… the abuse they suffer, the people they are exposed to etc etc….It costs thousands and thousands of pounds to not only put children up for adoption, but to train the adopters to adopt them.

    It took myself and my husband 5 long years to adopt our child. Do we feel that we have been brainwashed by social services – no, quite the opposite! Our Social Worker was a nightmare and it is only now post adoption do we feel we have any support from social services. We asked our Social Worker out right during our assessment ” who is on our side in all of this?” and she replied, we are on the side of the children as it is our main job to support them and get the best for them. We had no support from Social Services through the whole arduous thing. At one point our main aim was to beat social services not actually the end result. They treated us extremely badly, especially as we are already parents to a birth child. Did they take that into consideration – no! They said it was a hindrance rather than a help!

    I am not saying that all adopted children have foetal alcohol syndrome or attachment disorder, but if adopted children have mental issues, it goes right back to when they were born and the care they were given, how they were cared for, what the mother ingested while pregnant. It has a MASSIVE effect! People sometimes just don’t realise the effect their actions can have.

    For our child, he was neglected for the first few months of his life…… neglect is the worst form of abuse when it comes to brain development because the brain just does not have a chance to be nurtured and develop normally. Our child is physically delayed, developmentally delayed and has speech problems….. all because of this neglect. Neglect is often down to poverty and not being able to afford to give children the things they need. And poverty, is the governments’ fault. However, just not caring for your child and abusing them is not.

    For all of those children who have been taken when they should not have been, then I am sorry about that, but for my child, for me, and for all those children whose best chance in life is to be adopted. I am not sorry. I wish them all well.

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      1. To any parent and children who have had their children removed unnecessarily – we have nothing but love and support for you.

        We are not trying to say that all children are removed for good reasons, just point out that most children are removed for very good reasons.

        That is all.

        With love,

        Matt

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        1. Unfortunately as someone who ‘became involved’ with an offer of scientific help some 15 years ago I can assure you that the numbers of children removed unnecessarily are not small. This is going to be a huge scandal.

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    1. Why don’t we all from Stolen Children of the UK tell our stories? Yes, social services do remove children wrongly. My son is six-and – a half, very close to both me and my partner, and, although placed in a friendly foster family, where, I admit, he is quite happy, would still very much like to return home to us – yet the SS would prefer to put him up for adoption. The grounds? My personality, according to the psychiatrist, ‘lies within the boundaries of normality, although perhaps not quite ordinary”. Apparently people who are not ordinary should not be allowed to bring up kids in the UK. I’ve been criticised for enrolling him in different after-school activities, like football and tennis. My partner is deemed to be ‘an excellent father”, but, to the SS’s disapproval, he is in love with me.

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      1. Very similar, next it’ll be your qualifications, oh your a working mother, oh if you employ a nanny then “it’ll be another new face a child is faced with”, oh older is parenting the younger, oh….. He’s in love with me – my partner was asked on a hypothetical basis say “if I was to jump out of a ‘bush’ what would he do?

        Judge fed words into my psychiatrist’s mouth, that he was reading ‘an article this morning’ something called “mindfulness” which would take at least six months for treatment; My personal psychiatrist, councillors, GP, treatment centre all said Judge was “Wrong” – followed by solicitor saying Judge is wrong, Barrister says “This is Injustice” – Number of appeals I made. Simple thing was I HATED social workers and SW knew – This is the “mindfulness” treatment how to accept the acts of sw

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          1. It’s so strange – I’ve just watched several YouTube clips – On Dispatches, firstly David Cameron has announced, in Sept 2013, that they have spent £9 billion pounds on 120,000 families. And secondly, it shows really poor families with unhappy children that ss are helping them (two families); where has 120,000 families come from. So, why are the happy children adopted?

            Another clip shows, mothers and fathers with photos of their happy children adopted?? Doesn’t make sense

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      2. Keep fighting! Have just started reading all this terrible stuff online about children, is horrific,
        The secrecy , abuse , what can people do to help?

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    2. outsiders are so blind to reality. Just bcos they have a kind heart to adopt. they don’t see what goes on in reality. As I used to work for social services I know that they get it wrong and rather admit the truth they will abuse their power to cover up mistakes. Don’t forget the targets the councils have to reach to be allowed a bigger budget from the government. ??? How can that be in the best interest of a child when 1) their are targets 2) their are financial incentives. As a single dad I had my kids taken from me for 9 months bcos I was classed as emotionally abusive in not letting the children see the mother (who chose not to see her kids) it cost me my business 3 houses more cash than you could think of and I defeated Northampton social services.. and people think social services are innocent when they are ripping innocent families apart to please others. Please don’t say they are paid thousands and trained. many are divorced women and single mums and reading a book to qualify shouldn’t let you play god for targets. btw my kids are off to university so up yours Northampton social services kidnappers and thank you judge tony Mitchell for stopping their kidnap for adoption

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      1. I am not from Uk, but in our country sounds very bad whats happens in Uk with social services and childrens. We are praying just that in your country we will not have the same. because now is coming …Just few hours before I did read article about it, Belgium journalist did make the research how works all adoption system in UK, and it is terrible. Many children are separated from parents just for nothing. It looks like Social workers sometimes are happy to do it? ???

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    3. Brain washed being going of for years abuse by social workers many of them, today kids stolern from good homes for money making so wake up and join the reqal life I was beaten shits oput of nearly everyday by social workers, lady I know very well had her two young daughters agaed 8 and 9 years old, sex abuse by cares that passed all social services tests so get real kids are stol;en like the 130,000 from 1948 to 1972 ship out to australia forever, that was secret, all those destroyed families that were lied to and their children as well by your so called brillant social services , so go away and post your not the real world somewhere else. (Social worker plant)

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    4. Oh you opted to adopt a baby!! then and not a older child.. surprise surprise NOT!! if u know that baby wasnt given up willingly then u are nothing more than the main cause of this child trafficking business.. Also being poor is not a excuse to steal peoples children, It is the governments fault, and u have some cheek this earth had all the natural resources humans need to survive.. if it wasnt for governments destroying everything.. Materialism is not better for a child than the strong love and emotional bond it gets from its real mother!! Also I know well respectable people who never taken drugs and gave their children everything they need yet their daughter still grew up and decided she wanted to be a druggie prostitute,, So where you come from does not determine who you will be.. In my opinion u sound just like a social worker, with that speech thats only convincing yourself

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      1. Jo Evans I agree with you .I think is better to be in not rich family, and in the nature, in the villages….Enstein or I don’t know who didn’t have many things, but they were genius.

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      2. I love this reply, this is exactly what I have been saying all along, there would be no use in a supply, without the demand, the government should be putting more money into fertility treatments because let’s face it, most of the adopters are using someone else’ child as a last chance to be a parent resort. They are not doing it for the child, they are doing it to fulfill their selfish want to be a parent, how anyone can adopt a child knowing that it has been adopted because of future risk of emotional harm is beyond me, that is as absurd as me saying “I think your boyfriend will rape someone so I will put him in prison to make sure he doesn’t” it is an indefensible allegation, how can you defend yourself against what might happen? All these adopters who just want a cute little baby with no care for how it came about make me want to vomit.

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        1. ..and we and are children are imprisoned!

          Charley, extremely well said… excellent reply.

          If people agree, then this should be the PROTEST we should all hold outside the Court of Appeal.

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        2. .. and we and our children are imprisoned

          Charley this is an EXCELLECT reply… this should be GROUNDS of our PROTEST which we should all participate in

          and DO NOT DELETE MY REPLY, which you have done once already

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    5. If you think that the child with A 22 q11 deletion has Foetal Alcohol Syndrome you have been duped.
      If you think that the child who had sepsis was poisoned with morphine you have been duped.
      If you think that the child who had been given trimethoprim ( antibiotic) was poisoned with a certain drug that the mother was taking you have been duped. I can assure you the list goes on and on to include diagnosed birth marks being classed as abuse.

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    6. It is not YOUR child – you have collaborated in cultural cleansing and imposed a life sentence of suffering on the real parents. If YOU are able to over-come or ameliorate the neglect allegedly suffered by the child that you are looking after, then the parents, with suitable support, would have been able to do the same! The reality is that the best interests of the children, the so-called welfare principle, takes second place to financial expediency. Closed adoption is wrong and simply perpetuates the problem. Parents should NEVER be legally severed from their children with no hope of rehabilitation or redemption!

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      1. I think too that “Parents should NEVER be legally severed from their children with no hope of rehabilitation or redemption!”If not, it shoes that system actually don’t want to help families but they are oriented to seperate and to adopt for reason MONEY maybe, otr it is something what we don;t know.

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    7. yes there are parents out there who do not deserve there children but us innocent parents do not abuse and we dont murder so i dont think you have any right to judge innocent parents

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  13. The actual agenda of adoption is to keep kids safe. I am adopted and married to Matt – see comments above. I have no desire to find my birth family as I have a wonderful family and have never felt that I was “adopted” and not a true family member. Why did we want to adopt? To help another child who if hadn’t been adopted would have stayed in the system being fostered. However wonderful foster parents are, there are so many boundaries and rules they have to follow the children would never really feel that close bond. Our adopted child is our child and should they wish to find their birth family in the future we will support them. I however do not, and because my my birth mum couldn’t look after me, we will never meet.

    I agree sometimes social services get it wrong either not stepping In early enough or too early. But we are human we all make mistakes.

    Yes children who are taken away from family quite often end up with mental health issue….. Read up on foetal alcohol syndrome and attachment disorder before blaming that on social services….. And to truly understand why adopted children have problems read up on brain development from birth! It is astounding the affect that love and nurture has on a a babies brain development . If they don’t get love and nurture and their basic needs met then they are pretty much screwed up for life!

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    1. Us parents are also only human to make mistakes.

      My children did not have foetal alcohol syndrome. They in fact won prizes for their nurseries, they were known to be happy and healthy children. A quarter of centimetre of broccoli on dining table was rendered as house unfit ….how? Infact, five years of vigorous testing on me, with all negative results….does this make sense? No, not to me. But my two little boys are adopted by homosexual gay couple, English and Singaporean Chinese couple.

      In my case social workers lied and lied. Have you ever questioned what if you have been misguided/ brainwashed by SW?

      All the best to you!

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      1. I agree. All parents/families have negatives. All humans have negatives. SS use them . Our issues came from a child that had been abused and suffered. No one questioned what she talked about, just picked up on factual negatives when they questioned up. Leaving us unable to give our abused child the help she needed. Thanks to SS, we neglected our daughter. They removed all help.

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    2. SS and teachers are some of the biggest child abusers who neglect children’s needs. Our kids were adopted for the right reasons, but rather than understand and support our daughter, we became victims. It is only by going through 6 years of hell did we come to understand what many birth parents suffer. We had no post adoption support. Isn’t this neglect? Yet it does make up for the abuse we have received from our LA and all that we have lost. We can only now move on and hope the past 8 years have not affected the kids too much. That they are able to cope in the big wide world out there?

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      1. I agree that in many cases this is true, which is why I am openly against Forced Adoption. I was a speaker in Birmingham in 2012. Ourfuturz. Yet often children are seriously abused and neglected. This messes them up too. I know the facts about our children. Although it took 7 years to find out! Often the LA’s Gail in both directions! To tell the truth!

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    3. Hang on a minute here i really think you need to do a little more homework, so, as far as you are concerned the majority of children taken for adoption come from mothers that drank, no i don’t think so, ss don’t get it wrong they know exactly what they are doing, they take the children for profit, do you realise that more than 18,000 children are taken from parents every year, these parents fight tooth and nail to get their children back but ss make up so many lies and the corrupt judges believe them. Babies like Baby P are missed because ss don’t want the children from the sort of homes he came from, they want the NICE children from good families, you state your mother couldn’t look after you, how do you know this, have you asked her yourself or were you another taken baby, if you believe in ss and what they say then more fool you, i personally have so far in my life never met a sw that didn’t or couldn’t lie, they all do, why do you think some universities are dropping the sw courses, they have now realised what is going on and want no association with it.

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    4. You should always be curious about your bilogical parents an I bet you are, it is just natural.

      How do you know you weren’t taken from your parents wrongly?

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  14. My grandkids were took because there mother made up aloud of lies which we had proof she had lied but they would not even look at the proof we had as the judge said it did not matter as it was judge on possibily so we lost them on hearsay

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  15. to be honest the system have started something that they are going to find so difficult to win because when u do wrong the tables get turned and the fight goes back there way

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  16. Social services came after our 3 children on the basis of emotional harm. Their grounds? A 3 year old and 5 year olds (and an unborn child) didnt always hand in homework on time… HOMEWORK!! At 3 and 5!! So dont keep sticking your heads in the sand an pretend that if a child is taken (or snatched to use its more accurate term..) it is because they are bad parents. Was I a bad parent for working 50 to 60 hrs a week? The social worker thought so.. even said so herself!! All reports are copied and pasted from previous cases and littered with mistakes and even complete fabrications. Why go to such a risky extent if its not a hidden agenda?!

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  17. The sense of being unlovable and unwanted by their birth parents, causes adopted children you develop low self esteem, worth and confidence. They go onto develop mental health problems which keeps them dependent on the system. They will always have the longing to know who their birth parents are and yearn to meet them. Whilst adopters do a good job, there is no replacement for birth parents.

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  18. How dare you make that sweeping statement! I am the father of an adopted child and a biological child. I can tell you for a fact that i have the same, right to the centre of my soul, connection to both my kids.

    To say that adopted parents cannot provide the same emotional connection as a birth parent is abhorrent.

    In our case social services spent years trying to get our child back wirh his birth mother, but she failed to even show up to half her contact sessions, let alone make the changes in her life to provide a safe and loving environment for her child.

    I am fed up with adopted children all being portrayed as having been ripped from their caring families for no good reason and dumped into faceless families who will treat then like some Harry Potter character.

    Yes social services will make mistakes. For baby P, they did not act quick enough, in other cases they act too soon.

    But for the vast majority of children, adoption is the route for them to find a stable, and more importantly, loving family life. A life where those children are loved completely, unconditionally, and JUST as much as a biological child.

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    1. You are merely an exception to the case. Have you wondered why parents are fighting the system, have you wondered how children got to that stage of adoption, have you seen bruises on children in the hands of social workers and foster carers, do you know what parents and children go through, before you adopt, have you heard screams and cries of children who are targets of the adoption process. If not, then SHUT UP. Because BIOLOGICAL PARENTS have

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      1. Did you not read my post fully? I AM a biological parent. So with Love – I am in a position to make my statement that adopted children can be just as loved and “connected” too as biological children.

        What concerns me about this page is that ALL adoption is being tarnished as immoral and wrong, That is simply not the case.

        Now don’t get me wrong here – as I said earlier, do mistakes happen? – Yes absolutely. Baby P should have been taken from the parents, it would have saved a life.

        That child who was murdered by his parents earlier in the year after being systematically starved and beaten should have been taken from his parents – his Life would have been saved.

        But I guess thats not relevant here is it? because all Adoption is immoral and purely a cash cow for the evil Social Services whose only goal in life is to cause as much pain as possible….

        I also firmly believe that some children are no doubt removed when they shouldn’t.

        As a parent to two beautiful children I know just how much I would fight to get my kids back if this ever happened.

        My point is this – by tarnishing all adoptions/removal of children as completely unwarranted – and more so, evil in the extreme with purely financial motivations – people are utterly ruining the true value of this site. That value is to highlight and provide a support network for the minority (yes I mean Minority) of parents who have their children removed for no good reason.

        Does child abuse happen? – yes it does.

        Should Children be left to suffer? – No, of course not.

        Should Children be put up for adoption without the parents consent? – Yes, read the above two lines.

        Should parents fight for their children if they have been unnecessarily removed? – That’s a stupid question isn’t it!, of course they should.

        Both myself and my wife have put alternative views up here today – and both have been dismissed, either by stating we are not capable of loving our adopted child as we are not its (I say its to protect identities) biological parents, or by implying my wife has been brainwashed purely because she has no interest whatsoever in finding her birth family, or that we are the exception to the case!

        I do not know any of your real stories here Folks, and as such I make no judgements as to whether your children should or should not have been removed.

        The only people who can make that judgment are yourselves.

        Look yourself in the mirror when no one else is around and really (I mean really) ask yourself if there was absolutely no basis on which to remove your children.

        If the answer is no – then fight with everything you have and I send you all my prayers and support for a successful outcome for you and your children.

        But please – stop making sweeping statements that imply there is no such thing as a bad parent or a child or who needs to be rescued and adopted into a loving, caring family. To do so just turns this site into a hate filled shadow of what it should be.

        With love,

        Matt

        ps – it may suprise you all to know that our experience of Social Services in terms of being approved to adopt was an incredibly humiliating, judgemental, disgusting and thoroughly broken process. So in terms of people feeling Social Services have an awful lot to improve – we could not agree with you more.

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              1. matt we all need to do whats right because if we go out there at a bull at a gate we will never see our babies again so we need to work our way in to getting justice the right way mate

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        1. @ Matt & Tabby1978 – There are none so blind as those who will not see!

          You state:

          “… our experience of Social Services in terms of being approved to adopt was an incredibly humiliating, judgemental, disgusting and thoroughly broken process. So in terms of people feeling Social Services have an awful lot to improve – we could not agree with you more.”

          and yet you insist, entirely without evidence, that the vast majority of children are rightly taken into care! Those two positions are entirely contradictory.

          The fact is forced, or coerced, closed adoption is morally wrong and more and more people are beginning to realise this and demand an end to it! There were apologists for slavery, male-only suffrage, the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany (interestingly, the Nazis were fans of adoption too), eugenics, apartheid, etc. but these practices were still wrong. Your personal good intentions are irrelevant; you have been duped by the system.

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            1. Well said – one of my favourite quotations.
              Coupled it with “you can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality”
              Ayn Rand (of all people!)

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        2. About how big minority are you talking about? 10, 100, 1000, 10 000? No one knows, no one care. There is no research about that.
          Let the parents speak up! We need to know, how many children were taken for wrong reasons and where the mistakes were made. Then we can change the system.
          And we may find as well that some mistakes weren’t mistakes, but cruel actions of psychopatic social workers, judges..

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      2. Well said Mo.. Ive been through the crooked family court system WHAT A JOKE!! where i proved they had lied i was screamed at by the judge and branded a smart arse.. ive had to watch my childrens souls breaking.. video evidence of them screaming and crying for me to just please take them back home, phone call evidence and txts.. to which a judge has ordered my mum to remove my daughters phone.. sw admitting she had told my daughter her mummy is a bad person, told my kids their mummy didnt want them anymore pure evil scumbags!! The only emotional abuse caused to my children has been done severely by these people.. the days coming where the people will storm these courts.. And anyone whos adopted a child that they know wasnt given up willing should be got & all

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        1. I agree with it all fifi may: See the above post of mine saying::

          “Hey ALL

          Read Charley Graces reply below.

          I believe its time for ALL OF US to group up and take ACTION. PROTEST NEEDS TO be arranged. Who is IN? ”

          Let me know if you would like to protest

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            1. Great, please contact me mon.que@outlook.com, this makes three of us. See if you can request parents from other forums which you may be aware of. I want there to be a big protest outside Royal Courts of Injustice, so that we are taken seriously and my aim is to be reported on news – this will cause more public awareness.

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      1. I pleaded and cried out to the Judges, right till the last court case. How many appeals have been lost by me, screaming out “I do not consent” …. orders were made, and I appealed that order and lost… NOW, I WANT MY CHILDREN BACK…. Why was I not informed of Panorama at the time of the making of the programme

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        1. The big part of the programme is to do with vitamin d and unexplained fractures so unless that is the reasons then you would not be contacted Hun. X

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          1. yes it’s about vitamin d def but the point of the programme is that ss have taken these children and withheld medical records from court, now the biggest question is why have they felt the need to do this

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            1. Hospitals never make any attempt to rule out non accidental injury, instead they rule it in as the only possibility. One paediatrician, Dr Joanna Fairhurst from Spire Hospital Southampton, believes 90% of infant injury is inflicted by carers. On that basis, you have no chance.

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              1. Dr Fairhurst ruined 1 family’s life in 2009 where a child was unnecessarily taken into care for 1 year. Her poor judgment was overrules in a criminal case in Guildford a few days ago but the SS had already given the child away.

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    2. That`s what SS might have told you but how do you know for a fact that they are telling the truth ? We were targeted by SS when we tried to get help for our daughter, who has ASD. I have never experienced such dishonesty and lack of care for the effect they had on our child. It seems that SWs will say and do anything to get a result. And it isn`t as if just one or two of them do this. What I found most disturbing is that without exception they colluded in making false reports and lying under oath. It must be endemic because nobody in the system, including barristers, CAFCASS etc showed the slightest surprise or concern that SS were lying. And just for the record, I was in care as a child, and abuse is endemic. So please do not insult all of the victims by making a statement that you have no right to make.

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      1. “without exception they colluded in making false reports and lying under oath” – this is sadly what I was up against – Lies and lies and lies – and taking it to the court of appeal (waste of money)

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    3. matt nobody is saying anything bad mate//chill/there are children out there who deserve to be safe and by god i now all about that /my mom walked away from me and i was left on my own in care i used to cry myself to sleep everynight all i am saying is all parents are not the same the system have alot to answer for but so do all the parents who do abuse and murder but us innocent parents are fighting for justice because we trully are innocent

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    4. Sorry Matt, I have to disagree with you. The vast majority of adopted children do not feel adoption was the right avenue for them.As an adoptee, I have been in so many group with other adopted adults and children who suffer because of the inability of adoptive parents to recognize the pain and suffering the majority of adoptees go through. No child should be adopted in my opinion, it is a strange sort of ownership and the changing of names and identity is what I find truly horrific. If you have a birth child, I would strongly suggest you get your adopted child into counselling at as soon as puberty rears its head.

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  19. the reason they take children is to meet their targets, my grandchildren was taken and after 1 month of having to say goodbye , the children had to call someone else mum and dad , and my grandchildren were taken because of “future risk of emotional harm” so what have they done. and how can they see in the future. when asked why, we got the children at 3 and 2 knew the parents werent good parents . the lies they have said , its a corrupt system for their own notches on the employment ladder

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  20. to be honest we can all fight the system put to get to social services you need to step back and really think deep down why they all doing this then believe me you will be able to fight them

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    1. Wakeman clare this is just one, **********CONSULTING LIMITED.

      The combined cash at bank value for all businesses where the social worker holds a current appointment equals £7,717, with a combined assets value of £8,024 and liabilities of £0. Roles associated with (name soon exsposed, Police investigating now) within the recorded businesses include: Director as social worker without accomadation. This is while he is working for the local authority proof they are selling children, stealing children, like this social worker of many riches.

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      1. thats all they have done is take back handers for all our children but if you think about money is running out and then they all going to be caught out

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    2. No you cant, cos I did and lost. “Group Unity” is needed.

      Anyone aware of a Barrister who can fight the last hurdle for me for free? Very likely not.

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  21. My baby has been placed with adopters immidiately social service got hint that my imkigration status was sorted in july 2013.My 2 older kids are back home and are happy to be back home, my immigration status was the reason I fell into depression.Now my life is back on track, I now have a job and attend college and yet my child is still been placed for adoption.I have been told by my solicitori wont get legal aid to challange the adoption order.I have to represent myself come January 2014.
    Its so bad that my baby will he adopted just because I now have permission to reside min uk, I would live to return back to my country with all my kids while i relinguish the immigration status i have.There is no point living in Uk while some strangers have my baby.

    Social service made up their mind right from the very first day my kids were taken off me.They have decided to sell my baby to strangers even before we hit the courts and they judges are going by social service recommendation.This is just wicked and home breakers.

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      1. Sabine im a zimbabwean and you are right ask me im a statistic of theirs, what about the forced caesearean mother is she not italian i think

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  22. Social services are disgusting what they are doing to all the children and there family’s I am fighting for my granddaughter candyce angel beech she is 2 years old has been placed for forced adoption for no good enough reason
    We are fighting for her been banned from uk courts gone to ECHR but while we was fighting they placed candyce with adoptees and sent me a letter of apology they lie and very corrupt they make there minds up way before you hit the courts they are trying to gag me now they have no chance
    I run a group on Facebook Stop social services taken children for the wrong reasons Or you can find me amanda jane beech the truth is coming

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    1. Paul same as you. but if you let the bully win they always will. I stand up to them and their crooked run child selling bussiness they don’t like being exsposed had this secret power for many years now its on its last legs as people are now coming out in their droves to fight back for thier children and families

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